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and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named grover in order kwis. >> ezra, i have to say for me one of my favorite moments in the debate was with him pointing out theffective rate romney pays compared to what other people in the real world pay. i'm not sure how many people jumped on that a as their favorite moment but. >> you and me, lawrence. >> but biden is finding more effective ways of isolating that romney tax return 14% number. >> it wasn't just that. biden i thought actually figured out what obama didn't figure out a week before which is how to deal with the ryan/romney ticket on taxes, medicare and social se
and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named...
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massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left? >> first off, you're kind of misquoting what he said. number one, he said it's not a $5 trillion dr. >> 4.8. >> but it is. i don't care what he says, he's lying. it is $5 trillion. >> bob, let me make mire point. >> don't repeat his lie without any evidence. >> i'm not repeating it. the fact you call it a lie, you take that up with him. >> no, he's the one who's lying. >> let me make the point. how does it not -- >> the fact of the matter is he's identified that what he's going to do is limply fill the tax code in a number of
massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left?...
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taxes, doyle. one of the things they were -- will argue about is who will cut your taxes and raise your taxes. how do we see this play out on the stage at the debate last night? in a way that it mirrors what we've been seeing on the campaign trail? >> well, you had a serious debate over taxes. one of the things i think jeff is absolutely right. that debate between the vice-presidential candidates was about reaffirming the argument of each side's partisan base. if the word "bipartisan" was spoken during that debate, i missed it. gwen: no. it was spoken. but it was spoken by paul ryan. making the case that that's how they can solve problems. >> arguing that it could be bipartisan but paul ryan was actually going back to the republicans' 2010 playbook. where it was all about lower spending and tax cuts. joe biden was sticking to the -- the attack line of the obama campaign which is that mitt romney's tax cuts don't work. he must be hiding some details. he's trying to pull the wool over your isles. gwe
taxes, doyle. one of the things they were -- will argue about is who will cut your taxes and raise your taxes. how do we see this play out on the stage at the debate last night? in a way that it mirrors what we've been seeing on the campaign trail? >> well, you had a serious debate over taxes. one of the things i think jeff is absolutely right. that debate between the vice-presidential candidates was about reaffirming the argument of each side's partisan base. if the word...
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they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose their job. they saw harry down the street lost his job and their family is having a hard time. that kind of thinking sets in, what the heck, it's just a vote, i'm going to go ahead and do it. what do you think about that? >> it's possible, ed. this is a very, very, very tight election. and even if you have 5% of the workers who are intimidated like this or 3% or 2%, it could make a difference. and with unemployment still high, it's getting better, but unemployment's still high, a lo there's not enough job security out there to guard against this kind of intimidation. >> what do you think about using these bos
they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose...
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this is a tax in and of itself. i'll call it the economy tax. i'm not going to raise taxes on anyone. my plan is to bring down rates to get more people working. my priority is putting people back to work in america. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> welcome back. john, tell me something i don't know. >> clinton is doing a lot of stuff for president obama, raising a lot of money. he's in a lot of the ads. look, you've still not done a joint campaign event so far. there's time reserved in the homestretch. you're going to see bill clinton and barack obama together a lot. chris: like the old motorcades with ike and dixon, the canons of new york. i love it. tell me something i don't know. >> early voting, as we all know, has been going on, and we're starting to get some indication of how it's going. over half a million votes have already been cast. both sides are spinning the numbers. so far it looks like republicans are doing better than they did in 2008 and the democrats are doing better also, solt margin is smaller than it was at some
this is a tax in and of itself. i'll call it the economy tax. i'm not going to raise taxes on anyone. my plan is to bring down rates to get more people working. my priority is putting people back to work in america. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> welcome back. john, tell me something i don't know. >> clinton is doing a lot of stuff for president obama, raising a lot of money. he's in a lot of the ads. look, you've still not done a joint campaign event so far. there's...
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cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class. he wouldn't make abortion he said he would be delighted to sign a bill that would ban abortions if congress sent it to him. mitt romney has campaigned as a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he knows that those -- he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. there is a lot of anger building now about the issue of trust. what do you make of that? it was clumsily handled? should heads roll? >> president obama knew ambassador stephens. he was so appreciative of his work. that diplomatic core works for him. >> it is not about mitt romney and what he did which -- >> or my colleagues in congress. >> that was in appropriate. >> in the sense of blaming the video. >> piers -- >> it was more likely to have been a terrorist attack. >> i can't believe you would suggest that. it was very unclear what happened and the main thing was to make sure rather than make snap judgements that we take a step back and make a full investigation. >> do you accept that, that embass
cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class. he wouldn't make abortion he said he would be delighted to sign a bill that would ban abortions if congress sent it to him. mitt romney has campaigned as a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he knows that those -- he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. there is a lot of anger building now about the issue of trust. what do you make of that? it was clumsily handled? should heads roll? >> president...
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abortion, one, afghanistan another, medicare, taxes. that's what the obama campaign came out of saying that's where they thought he scored. they're -- they spent this weekend an they're going to spend every moment talking to people, figuring out which ones they can now exploit. chris: it's about policy differences. >> and trying to reach the groups. they're very precise about what sort of margins they need in certain groups, and how do they exploit that. that makes an overarching argument, but how do they move voters in the votes they need in the swing states? >> the issue that hasn't come up yet is immigration. we know how important latinos are in the swing states. chris: we asked the matthews meters -- could the obama team have played things smarter after the debacle in denver in that first debate? 11 say yes, they could have done it better. one person said something like, "heck, yeah." and some lodged their votes with multiple exclamation points. including you, john. [laughter] >> i was in all caps with a lot of exclamation points. c
abortion, one, afghanistan another, medicare, taxes. that's what the obama campaign came out of saying that's where they thought he scored. they're -- they spent this weekend an they're going to spend every moment talking to people, figuring out which ones they can now exploit. chris: it's about policy differences. >> and trying to reach the groups. they're very precise about what sort of margins they need in certain groups, and how do they exploit that. that makes an overarching...
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sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the country to feel that, you know, wherever you hear mitt romney saying something today, don't worry, it doesn't really matter. it is all subject to revision later. long-term, this is a weird technique. it has been a strange political technique from the get-go this year. but mostly, it has worked for them. them correcting the record later on to a smaller audience has mostly worked. so they just keep doing it. and they have kept getting away with it. but now, as of today, they have seemed to have gone too far to get away with it anymore. this is what mitt romney told "the des moines register" editorial bo
sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the...
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cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class to pay for taxes on the millionaire and billionaires. now he tells the register that he wouldn't make abortion a part of his agenda. i mean, this is the same mitt romney that said he would be delighted to ban abortions if congress sent it to him. his lead running mate has been the sponsor of many legislations that would totally stop women. mitt romney has been a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he notices that the policies could make sure he does not have is a chance of being elected, he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. we won't let him get away with it. >> when it comes to trust, though, we're watching the hearings on the libya attack. and there is no doubt, now, there is an issue on the trust with the white house and the statements that came out from the various ambassadors and so on, what do you make it? what it a scandal? should heads roll? >> well, first of all, piers, president obama knew ambassador chris stevens, knew him personally and was s appreciative of his work. as president of the
cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class to pay for taxes on the millionaire and billionaires. now he tells the register that he wouldn't make abortion a part of his agenda. i mean, this is the same mitt romney that said he would be delighted to ban abortions if congress sent it to him. his lead running mate has been the sponsor of many legislations that would totally stop women. mitt romney has been a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he notices that the...
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the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact checkers with respect to the president's claim that this increases taxers say that's false. it doesn't. so here is the framework and what mitt romney said is i'm willing to work with both sides of the aisle republicans and sdms to get the details right and t president has never worked with republicans. there is no doubt that the president wants to increase taxes on small businesses, the job engine of america. >> i think there's no doubt we just heard a review what have we might hear from paul ryan tonight. congres
the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact...
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governor romney has a perspective that says if we cut taxes skewed towards the wealthy and roll back regulations that wele be better off. i have got a different view. i think we have got to invest in education and training. >> judge jeanine: and now listen to the president in this 2007 speech to hampton university. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your stanford egg money? makes no sense. tells me the bull let hasn't been taken out. tells me that somehow the people down in new orleans this they don't care about as much. >> judge jeanine: wow. i got to tell you, my guest tonight republican strategist noelle nikpour and former poster for president clinton and fox news contributor doug schoen join me this evening. noelle, very quickly. two different presidents. two different president obama's. >> i wonder if he goes to europe if he adopts a french accent. it was insane. >> it was almos racially. what do you think? you are almost nodding your head? >> it in the scheme of things i don't think it makes all that much difference. >> judge jeanine: what?
governor romney has a perspective that says if we cut taxes skewed towards the wealthy and roll back regulations that wele be better off. i have got a different view. i think we have got to invest in education and training. >> judge jeanine: and now listen to the president in this 2007 speech to hampton university. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your stanford egg money? makes no sense. tells me the bull let hasn't been taken out. tells me...
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i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvented the whole massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes. and whenever's anyone's really listening in the big crowd, he reverts to the old bad stuff the minute nobody's looking. >> and chris, he explains all that in terms that people understood. he does it with a smile on his face. he doesn't seem in any way mean or harsh or vindictive. he seems funny, which he is. it's also clear that bill clinton is having a really good time. he enjoys being on the campaign trail. he enjoys politics in a way that i don't think that pres
i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a...
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and the bottom 20% earned only 3.4% of the taxes and paid 2.1% of the taxes. in the end it all evens out. people pay the same percentage of the taxes as they earned of the income. sound pretty darn fair to me, david. no redistribution there. just carrying one's fair share. yet david said he's so frustrated his motivation to work may be destroyed all together because of the current system. he blamed it all on a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. but again he is wrong. government has to take from all for the good of all. including for the good of mr. siegel. just one example. westgate's property at the smoky mountain resort and spa in gatlinberg tennessee people go there and pay there siegel a whole lot of money to appreciate the beauty of the great smoky mountains. the first national park in which the federal government spent its own money to wyland. no national park, no resort that people would pay for. you wouldn't want to build a resort there without reliable public and fire system or the road to get there or the system to gi
and the bottom 20% earned only 3.4% of the taxes and paid 2.1% of the taxes. in the end it all evens out. people pay the same percentage of the taxes as they earned of the income. sound pretty darn fair to me, david. no redistribution there. just carrying one's fair share. yet david said he's so frustrated his motivation to work may be destroyed all together because of the current system. he blamed it all on a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. but again he is...
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he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>> the best thing to help prevent crime in cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities. teach people good discipline, good character. that is civil society. that's what charities and churches do. >> paul ryan and mitt romney say churches and charities are the only antidote to poverty. >>> another is ordering to vote for mitt romney. we'll read the letter where he admits it. >>> and which tape is a better window into mitt romney's window for america, the denver debate or the 47% tape? ahead, my commentary on why this countr
he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>>...
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there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of the race hasn't been changed, but if he doesn't go on the attack, if biden doesn't do a good job against ryan, and if the president doesn't show up and isn't strong in the second debate, then you're going to have a tossup race. >> well, i would disagree with your approach, first of all. i don't approach it that way. that's going back and relegating all the old arguments. in spirit what i would do, unlike shrumy, i would take the big issue that is separating the candidates, don't get into the little trench warfare about what's your tax plan and where were you on medicare two weeks ago. i would sa
there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure...
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taxes will have to be raised on the middle class if they succeed in their tax cut. folks, it's time to lift the burden off the middle class, not double-down on the great recession that hit them. >> that's the vice president at his first campaign event since last night's debate. there was another, let's just say intense debate going on last night but it waend biden/ryan. it was a bitter congressional race in california and it took a bizarre turn when both candidates nearly got into a fi physical fight right in front of the voters. let's take a look at this. >> that by the way with howard berman and brad sherman, two democrats in that new california system. they're running against each other in the general election for one seat in a merged district. >> crazy. >> another example of why americans are increasingly frustrated by the way our political system works or didn't work in some cases. our next guest says there's a silver lining, though, we just have to look back a century or so to find. he's the author of "the 100 greatest americans of the 0th century," a social j
taxes will have to be raised on the middle class if they succeed in their tax cut. folks, it's time to lift the burden off the middle class, not double-down on the great recession that hit them. >> that's the vice president at his first campaign event since last night's debate. there was another, let's just say intense debate going on last night but it waend biden/ryan. it was a bitter congressional race in california and it took a bizarre turn when both candidates nearly got into a fi...
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. >> on taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. >> reporter: on medicare -- >> if they allowed medicare to bargain for the cost of drugs like medicaid can, that would save $156 billion right off the bat. >> and it would deny seniors choices. >> reporter: on the president's foreign policy. >> when we look weak our adversaries are much more willing to test us, they're more brazen and our -- >> with all due respect that's a bunch of malarkey. >> reporter: he's preparing to make up for frz's mistakes last week, almost immediately launching the attack lines obama never used in his debate. >> it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> my neighbors, they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his income tax. >> reporter: before the debate, cnn was told paul ryan's team anticipated biden to be aggressive where the president was not especially on the infamo
. >> on taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. >> reporter: on medicare -- >> if they allowed medicare to bargain for the cost of drugs like medicaid can, that would save $156 billion right off the bat. >> and it would deny seniors choices. >> reporter: on the president's foreign policy. >> when we look...
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that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >> well, there are two ways to look at that question right there. the first is that, of course, michele obama outpolls ann romney. the first lady of the united states. active and visible first lady. you could look at it as a much plainer side by side comparison and twice as many people feel having her as a role model than ann romney. >> richard, one of the questions that interested me is you asked a sort of boot strap question. who had more help in achieving the success and people felt that romney through the wealth and privilege inherited had more assistance versus the
that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >>...
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obama care going to play or the bush tax cuts rollback or the fiscal cliff right in front of us? is that the reason business people are holding back? >> that is exactly the reason. three years ago when i was on the radio and talking to business people they expressed concern about the economy and now we know why. it has gone from concern to fear. they are fearful of the rollout of obamacare and taxarmageddon. tax rates will go back where they were 12 years ago and i had a businessman today tell me with tears in his eyes the luncheon we sponsored that if obama gets reelected and he continues to force the rollout of obamacare he will have to shut down his business and he has been in business in this town -- i meant st. louis -- since 1957. because of all of the requirements that are going to be forced on business people. this is very real and people are veey fearful of what can happen if we don't get some more certainty in this economy. gerri: all of these topics will be part of the debate tonight. you have experience with the baiting. you did pretty well. what would be your advice
obama care going to play or the bush tax cuts rollback or the fiscal cliff right in front of us? is that the reason business people are holding back? >> that is exactly the reason. three years ago when i was on the radio and talking to business people they expressed concern about the economy and now we know why. it has gone from concern to fear. they are fearful of the rollout of obamacare and taxarmageddon. tax rates will go back where they were 12 years ago and i had a businessman today...
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tax the rich, tax the rich. look you're allowed to be rich. of course you want to build the largest house. somebody has got to have the largest house. that is not the issue. the issue is this guy then turns around and says this. if any new taxes are levied on me or my company as our current president plans i will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. that is an obvious threat to his employees you better vote for romney or i'm going to fire you. it appears do you have another choice. perhaps you could reduce the size of your house. but oh no, no, no, you better not tax me another cent otherwise i'll fire all my workers. which would be a great brilliant business strategy. how would you run a company without workers. then your lazy ass would have to get up off the throne and do some work. in florida in 2000 he did this trick which he admits might have been illegal where he asked all of his workers, 8,000 workers in florida, hey, are you for the republicans or democrats. if they said democrats, then they do anything with them. if
tax the rich, tax the rich. look you're allowed to be rich. of course you want to build the largest house. somebody has got to have the largest house. that is not the issue. the issue is this guy then turns around and says this. if any new taxes are levied on me or my company as our current president plans i will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. that is an obvious threat to his employees you better vote for romney or i'm going to fire you. it appears do you have another...
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combination of automatic spending cuts and experdition of tax cuts will force millions of americans to lose their jobs. neil cavuto is here to tell us why even though we a presidential election ahead. the fiscal cliff is bigger. >> it is certainly more immediate. this is an event that is coming. the question is are they going to do anything about it or not? both parties are waiting to see what will happen if their guy wins f. it the president wins and keeps the senate they will cobble together a deal to call for letting the income rate on the rich expire and so only their taxes go up . keep those other spending cuts in place. it is anyone's guess what president-elect romney does with or without a democratic senate. if it is a republican one, the argument goes that they would table everything for a year. all . spending cut bush rates for a year . that might prove easier said than done. all of them expire at the exact same moment and say nothing of the host of investment rates . i might point out a lot of individuals must be getting wind of this. they have with drawn a bit of money from
combination of automatic spending cuts and experdition of tax cuts will force millions of americans to lose their jobs. neil cavuto is here to tell us why even though we a presidential election ahead. the fiscal cliff is bigger. >> it is certainly more immediate. this is an event that is coming. the question is are they going to do anything about it or not? both parties are waiting to see what will happen if their guy wins f. it the president wins and keeps the senate they will cobble...
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is a poll tax constitutional or unconstitutional? >> poll tax would be. i don't understand -- that's like saying to drive on a road is a poll tax -- you have to get a license to enter a government building there is a poll tax because you have to show a photo i.d. to get government been pits a poll tax because you have to show i.d. to get those benefits. so -- if that's your standard, a, it is against 70% to 80% of -- >> poll tax only deals with when you are going to the polls. poll tax only deals with -- poll tax really only deals when you are going to the polls. >> i know what a poll tax is. >> driving on a road and getting a lines, that's not a poll tax. going into a government build sing not a poll tax. flying on an airplane and showing your passport is not a poll tax. going to vote and having to prove who you are but having to go out and spend money on getting that i.d. or driving positive miles because you don't have an i.d. place in your town and you have to drive this distance to get one, that is a poll tax. that costs you money. >> as far as i'm a
is a poll tax constitutional or unconstitutional? >> poll tax would be. i don't understand -- that's like saying to drive on a road is a poll tax -- you have to get a license to enter a government building there is a poll tax because you have to show a photo i.d. to get government been pits a poll tax because you have to show i.d. to get those benefits. so -- if that's your standard, a, it is against 70% to 80% of -- >> poll tax only deals with when you are going to the polls. poll...